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Post by Zenrider on Aug 14, 2018 7:23:34 GMT
it may be time for you to move on and find a festival that works better for you. Who do you think you are? You can't stop people like me going to Womad and if Womad decide to replace Jon Snow with Jeremy Clarkson, there is nothing you can do about it. You claim not to be a troll, yet this is a classic troll post. Take a 'soundbite', throw in some feigned indignation, say 'I know you are, but what am I. No one, including me, has not said you can't go to WOMAD if that is what you want to do. You are the one complaining that you don't enjoy it anymore and think it should be more like other festivals. In that suggesting one of those festivals might be a better fit for you is not unreasonable. In anyway, WOMAD has no intention on folding their tents permanently and have set the dates for next year, so plan on. You can find them clicking the link in my reply above in regards to Peter Gabriel's Guardian interview. OK, and I will update the news feed shortly. |
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Post by calndel on Aug 14, 2018 21:17:25 GMT
I am pretty sure Currygoat occasionally posted on the old forum, and has always had an interesting and independent point of view. I hope that continues. It can feel very cliquey on here, and different views make it more interesting. I don't read the Guardian, but the possibility that a socialist ethic is damaging the festival is an interesting point of view, and no need for anyone to get defensive. I think it is bollocks personally, but still quite thought provoking. CG, is there a 'label' you'd put on yourself? Yip we remember a Goatcurry from the old forum and may it is the same person sorry to hear the you feel this forum can be very cliquey, that may be due to the small number of poster and I don't think's it's intentional everyone is entitled to express their views and sometimes view clash expressing a view point in a way that is offensive or is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from others isn't a great way to start a debate WOMAD has changed but we see it as an evolution rather than a take over by a certain group of people. WOAMD has a political side, a lot of the artist playing make political points when they preform, mostly in the name of peace and love we don't see that as socialist just humane |
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Post by currygoat on Aug 15, 2018 12:09:02 GMT
I am pretty sure Currygoat occasionally posted on the old forum, and has always had an interesting and independent point of view. I hope that continues. It can feel very cliquey on here, and different views make it more interesting. I don't read the Guardian, but the possibility that a socialist ethic is damaging the festival is an interesting point of view, and no need for anyone to get defensive. I think it is bollocks personally, but still quite thought provoking. CG, is there a 'label' you'd put on yourself? Yip we remember a Goatcurry from the old forum and may it is the same person sorry to hear the you feel this forum can be very cliquey, that may be due to the small number of poster and I don't think's it's intentional everyone is entitled to express their views and sometimes view clash expressing a view point in a way that is offensive or is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from others isn't a great way to start a debate WOMAD has changed but we see it as an evolution rather than a take over by a certain group of people. There are people who voted Leave who are not racist, who enjoy the acts, the food and the healing. Attendance is suffering because the festival is seen as unwelcoming to non-lefties and the World of Words is the biggest offender. It makes me laugh when lefties say "you can't generalise". Firstly, because they say "can't" instead of "shouldn't" which reveals their authoritarian bent and secondly, because lefties are the most herd-orientated people in the UK and they believe all Tories, Brexit supporters, UKIP supporters and people who support private education are evil. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. There are a load of non-white, non-racist right wingers who would buy tickets for Womad if some of the lefty crap was balanced out with some righty crap. I have read reviews that have pointed out most of the audience is white but the reviewers have yet to notice Womad has been targeting its marketing towards the public sector, Guardian reading, nepotists on six figure salaries. WOAMD has a political side, a lot of the artist playing make political points when they preform, mostly in the name of peace and love we don't see that as socialist just humane |
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Post by sc on Aug 15, 2018 19:44:11 GMT
Yip we remember a Goatcurry from the old forum and may it is the same person sorry to hear the you feel this forum can be very cliquey, that may be due to the small number of poster and I don't think's it's intentional everyone is entitled to express their views and sometimes view clash expressing a view point in a way that is offensive or is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from others isn't a great way to start a debate WOMAD has changed but we see it as an evolution rather than a take over by a certain group of people. There are people who voted Leave who are not racist, who enjoy the acts, the food and the healing. Attendance is suffering because the festival is seen as unwelcoming to non-lefties and the World of Words is the biggest offender. It makes me laugh when lefties say "you can't generalise". Firstly, because they say "can't" instead of "shouldn't" which reveals their authoritarian bent and secondly, because lefties are the most herd-orientated people in the UK and they believe all Tories, Brexit supporters, UKIP supporters and people who support private education are evil. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. There are a load of non-white, non-racist right wingers who would buy tickets for Womad if some of the lefty crap was balanced out with some righty crap. I have read reviews that have pointed out most of the audience is white but the reviewers have yet to notice Womad has been targeting its marketing towards the public sector, Guardian reading, nepotists on six figure salaries. WOAMD has a political side, a lot of the artist playing make political points when they preform, mostly in the name of peace and love we don't see that as socialist just humane I’m a little confused CG, you have made a lot of assumptions there about “lefties” and have branded them all the same, which seems to be the very thing you are against, and the earlier claims that Guardian readers are Corporate Socialists, I struggle with that also. The Guardian I always thought was a Centre-Left paper, whereas Corporate Socialism is surely a right wing political theory - The redistribution of wealth by Governments from The People to Corporations. So protectionism, tariffs etc all work for Corporate Socialism as the aid movement of money from the mass population to the Corporations and big money is made. I do not think Guardian Readers all subscribe to such beliefs in the slightest, I believe in fact the opposite that most Guardian readers believe in the redistribution of wealth from Corporations to the people. |
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Post by currygoat on Aug 16, 2018 13:01:17 GMT
I’m a little confused CG, you have made a lot of assumptions there about “lefties” and have branded them all the same, which seems to be the very thing you are against, and the earlier claims that Guardian readers are Corporate Socialists, I struggle with that also. The Guardian I always thought was a Centre-Left paper, whereas Corporate Socialism is surely a right wing political theory - The redistribution of wealth by Governments from The People to Corporations. So protectionism, tariffs etc all work for Corporate Socialism as the aid movement of money from the mass population to the Corporations and big money is made. I do not think Guardian Readers all subscribe to such beliefs in the slightest, I believe in fact the opposite that most Guardian readers believe in the redistribution of wealth from Corporations to the people. The BBC is corporate, Oxfam is corporate, the UK public sector is corporate, the unions are corporate, the Labour Party is corporate. Guardian readers are what the Russian communists called "social revolutionaries" and considered them as people who haven't grown up. The French term for Guardian readers is "bobo" which is short for bourgeois bohemian. Essentially, you want capitalism but you don't want to be capitalists. You are like children who want to eat the chicken but don't want to kill it. Most Guardian readers are corporate employees or work for smaller organisations that are reliant on grant funding. Guardian readers have a romantic view that tax goes to help the poorest but the reality is our taxes go to pay the wages of the Guardian readers and most non0Guardian readers can't afford to buy their own homes. The left in the UK nowadays is really just a criminal syndicate that wants to redistribute money to its own supporters. They have their own aristocracy of families to whom all the best paid public sector positions go and the two main things they introduced to enable this nepotism were coursework to make academic assessment more subjective and the age discrimination laws to get rid of seniority. President Macron is a corporate socialist and many ex Parti Socialiste MPs are now En Marche MPs so you will be surprised how many lefties are corporate socialists. Mrs May is a corporate socialist and the basic belief of corporate socialism is that everybody should be an employee and this is a belief they share with the communists. The Guardian doesn't support teaching kids that the route to success in life is to build up a business, cash it in, buy property then retire before you are 50 and live off your rental income, the Guardian advocates for corporate socialism. |
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Post by currygoat on Aug 16, 2018 13:13:17 GMT
Seriously, you come to Womad to escape the world for a few days, 360 other days to save the world and do politics. I don't want to see political stickers, or save the whales on the melting ice cap as they drown in rising sea levels containing dead polar bears, in a plastic sea of waste, so hot from global warming that it creates storms that drive wind turbines to power our electric cars. If I want all that I have Facebook. Womad should be a place where we can escape from Guardian readers telling us what to do. |
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Post by sc on Aug 16, 2018 16:47:56 GMT
I’m a little confused CG, you have made a lot of assumptions there about “lefties” and have branded them all the same, which seems to be the very thing you are against, and the earlier claims that Guardian readers are Corporate Socialists, I struggle with that also. The Guardian I always thought was a Centre-Left paper, whereas Corporate Socialism is surely a right wing political theory - The redistribution of wealth by Governments from The People to Corporations. So protectionism, tariffs etc all work for Corporate Socialism as the aid movement of money from the mass population to the Corporations and big money is made. I do not think Guardian Readers all subscribe to such beliefs in the slightest, I believe in fact the opposite that most Guardian readers believe in the redistribution of wealth from Corporations to the people. The BBC is corporate, Oxfam is corporate, the UK public sector is corporate, the unions are corporate, the Labour Party is corporate. Guardian readers are what the Russian communists called "social revolutionaries" and considered them as people who haven't grown up. The French term for Guardian readers is "bobo" which is short for bourgeois bohemian. Essentially, you want capitalism but you don't want to be capitalists. You are like children who want to eat the chicken but don't want to kill it. Most Guardian readers are corporate employees or work for smaller organisations that are reliant on grant funding. Guardian readers have a romantic view that tax goes to help the poorest but the reality is our taxes go to pay the wages of the Guardian readers and most non0Guardian readers can't afford to buy their own homes. The left in the UK nowadays is really just a criminal syndicate that wants to redistribute money to its own supporters. They have their own aristocracy of families to whom all the best paid public sector positions go and the two main things they introduced to enable this nepotism were coursework to make academic assessment more subjective and the age discrimination laws to get rid of seniority. President Macron is a corporate socialist and many ex Parti Socialiste MPs are now En Marche MPs so you will be surprised how many lefties are corporate socialists. Mrs May is a corporate socialist and the basic belief of corporate socialism is that everybody should be an employee and this is a belief they share with the communists. The Guardian doesn't support teaching kids that the route to success in life is to build up a business, cash it in, buy property then retire before you are 50 and live off your rental income, the Guardian advocates for corporate socialism. But that is not Corporate Socialism. Corporate is Private Sector, Corporate Socialism is economic policies that a Government introduces to redistribute wealth from the population to private sector. At least that is the definition that I’ve always seen. I suppose if you live in a Communist state where no private sector is allowed and all industry, business and enterprise is nationalised then Corporate Socialism would be hard left wing, but we don’t. Plus your response to me you referred to “You want this or that” I’m not a Guardian reader, I read a whole range of articles, from sources of all political persuasions in the internet which of course will include The Guardian. 😀 |
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Post by Zenrider on Aug 16, 2018 17:13:46 GMT
Seriously, you come to Womad to escape the world for a few days, 360 other days to save the world and do politics. I don't want to see political stickers, or save the whales on the melting ice cap as they drown in rising sea levels containing dead polar bears, in a plastic sea of waste, so hot from global warming that it creates storms that drive wind turbines to power our electric cars. If I want all that I have Facebook. Womad should be a place where we can escape from Guardian readers telling us what to do. You have an unhealthy obsession about people who read a particular newspaper and perhaps the Guardian in general. It also seems you are fixated on something that is not real or happening. Meaning, I don't think I'm going off on a limb that any of the stage acts stopped mid song to tell everyone they should read The Guardian. I have yet to see any pictures saying, WOMADers must read The Guardian before entry. Your behavior continues to be trollish and not contributing to the Pub. I don't mind people having other opinions and trying to explain why they have them, but bullyish, while claiming the victim behavior. Really? Telling WOMAD to ban or expect WOMADers and other WOMAD goers to boycott a particular newspaper is not constructive use of this thread or of your own time. Thus your post and mine are now in the Chunter thread. |
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Post by sc on Aug 19, 2018 11:12:50 GMT
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Post by calndel on Aug 30, 2018 20:30:09 GMT
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Post by sc on Sept 26, 2018 15:14:44 GMT
For some reason I keep thinking that Theresa May has been singing this song since the meeting in Austria. Just change "song" for "deal", and the French section makes it even more ironic.
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Post by beef on Nov 3, 2018 19:31:19 GMT
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Post by calndel on Nov 15, 2018 16:23:46 GMT
sounds like the Tory party in the uk is about to implode, sadly it will take the uk with it
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Post by Zenrider on Nov 16, 2018 7:44:31 GMT
Yeah, well at least she doesn't act like Putin's lap dog like Trump does.
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Post by mikey on Nov 16, 2018 11:58:31 GMT
Not only did trump fail to honour the lives of American service men, because of the weather (perhaps that is why he never went to Vietnam, such poor weather there back in the sixties). He also completely cocked up where his wife originates from....
She is from the Baltic. He said, she came from the former Yugoslavia, comprising the Balkans!
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