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Post by calndel on May 24, 2017 19:57:11 GMT
In light of events in Manchester and the resulting increase in security at even the smallest of venues we are sure WOMAD will have to increase or rethink security
hopefully it will just mean a it take a little bit longer to get on site and a few more bag searches
the main thing for us is that we go, we take part, we share and we enjoy
to stay at home and lock our door and hide would mean giving power to the terrorists
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Post by Zenrider on May 24, 2017 21:09:02 GMT
If only we could get people not to do these things in the first place. There is no cause great enough to kill people who are just out enjoying themselves at a concert, dinner, a few drinks with friends...in places that should not only feel safe, but be safe.
This was an act of cowardice at its worst. If only the newspapers would start using headlines like:
"Another Cowardly Loser Kills For No Reason. Dumb Group of Losers Takes Credit For Stupidity."
As long as the news sources choose terrorism as good for ratings, which lends themselves to some complicity, we are doomed.
The attacks on welfare programs guarantees a rise in crime of all sorts, after years of falling crime rates. The removal and reductions in government run social problems, will begin a vicious cycle of crime and violence, led by vicious people living in gated and guarded communities. The terrorists aren't the only ones that want you scared.
Anyway, be aware, be safe, but don't be scared.
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Post by calndel on May 24, 2017 23:29:18 GMT
sadly our own governments actions in the past seem to have a catalyst too
not only do we need to stand up to terrorists we also need to voting for war mongers and buying or watching hate fueled media
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Post by mikey on May 25, 2017 5:48:23 GMT
Totally agree with you Calndel, and why I was so angry by the comments made by Morrisey. Sadly we expect hate filled comments from The likes of Katie Hopkins but why is Morrisey also allowed to have this coverage after turning his back on Manchester to live in America.
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Post by sc on May 25, 2017 7:19:26 GMT
You really cannot blame the press. The press did not create ISIS, IRA, Red Army Faction, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ETA, Hamas, Irish National Liberation Army, Loyalist Volunteer Force, Shining Path, Ulster Volunteer Force, The Real IRA, The Provisional IRA, etc etc etc.
What creates extremism is injustice in many forms, be it the injustice of hopelessness, exclusion, inability to feed or provide medicine for your child or loved ones, inability to protect your child, inability to make choices for yourself, restrictions to your freedoms, to be denied your humanity, there are of course many more reasons. Little leaders who want to be big or bigger leaders, recruit followers from those that are vulnerable, those that do not feel part of the social system within which they live, those that feel hopeless, worthless and lost. The recruits are made to feel that they are part of a society (albeit an extremist/terrorist organisation) where they matter, they count, they are worth something, they can contribute to that organisation whilst before they could not contribute to society, to the recruit it is all good, they have worth, they are human.
There are many many reasons for extremism/terrorism, it's very very complex for Governments, some may go down a left wing path, and try to eliminate injustice by removing or suppressing Capitalism, choice and promoting protectionism, but as a by-product that reduces potential and freedoms and therefore frustrates it's people. Right wing Governments may try to resolve it by increasing freedoms and relaxing controls on business to increase choice and reward potential, but that results in gross inequality and is again fertile ground. It's a tough one.
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Post by calndel on May 25, 2017 20:13:35 GMT
something to mull over will we wait in the queue at WOMAD
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Post by standing stone on May 26, 2017 14:42:34 GMT
Just wondering whether heightened security status will affect visas for any of the artists coming to Womad... so hope not.....
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Post by calndel on May 26, 2017 22:26:16 GMT
Just wondering whether heightened security status will affect visas for any of the artists coming to Womad... so hope not..... that will depend on who is running the home office |
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Post by Zenrider on May 27, 2017 0:16:03 GMT
You really cannot blame the press. It's not the journalists so much as the corporate paid entities that direct them and sometimes tie their hands from telling the whole truth, or even, sometimes, the truth. |
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Post by mikey on May 27, 2017 6:49:06 GMT
At least LBC have got rid of Katie Hopkins, her tweets are just unacceptable even if there are plenty of bigots following her every word. Yet the Daily Mail (sorry for the offensive language) still see fit to keep her as a columnist. why? Because she is popular? Because the likes of Paul Dacre agree with her hate filled messages? Or both?
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Post by sc on May 27, 2017 7:53:59 GMT
At least LBC have got rid of Katie Hopkins, her tweets are just unacceptable even if there are plenty of bigots following her every word. Yet the Daily Mail (sorry for the offensive language) still see fit to keep her as a columnist. why? Because she is popular? Because the likes of Paul Dacre agree with her hate filled messages? Or both? It's because Katie Hopkins is what the readers of "The Daily Hail" like to read. I read last year of a campaign/social experiment where letters where submitted to "The Daily Fail" On-Line, these letters were written as if genuine but included directly lifted quotes from pre second world war Nazi propaganda with the word "Jew" replaced with "immigrant". Nearly all the letters were published by "The Hate 'n' Envy" and got very positive responses from the readers, scary stuff. |
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Post by deserttraveller on May 27, 2017 8:49:19 GMT
Yes as Russel Brand said, the removal of Hopkins was a small moral victory, now getting rid of the Daily Mail, that would be something. However, that would not fix the small minded xenophobic thinking that inhabits the minds of a significant minority in the UK.
I really hope no one turns on Muslims as a result of what happened.
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Post by sc on May 27, 2017 11:15:56 GMT
Yes as Russel Brand said, the removal of Hopkins was a small moral victory, now getting rid of the Daily Mail, that would be something. However, that would not fix the small minded xenophobic thinking that inhabits the minds of a significant minority in the UK. I really hope no one turns on Muslims as a result of what happened. exactly |
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Post by sc on May 27, 2017 11:36:25 GMT
Yes as Russel Brand said, the removal of Hopkins was a small moral victory, now getting rid of the Daily Mail, that would be something. However, that would not fix the small minded xenophobic thinking that inhabits the minds of a significant minority in the UK. I really hope no one turns on Muslims as a result of what happened. Exactly, but I don't think a Government should forcibly stop a "significant minority" from reading a paper that satisfies their small mindedness. Protections and regulation need to be there to stop the promotion of violence or law breaking, but we, as humans, must be free to choose our individual paths. State controlled press is awful. |
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Post by deserttraveller on Jun 20, 2017 21:38:43 GMT
Yes as Russel Brand said, the removal of Hopkins was a small moral victory, now getting rid of the Daily Mail, that would be something. However, that would not fix the small minded xenophobic thinking that inhabits the minds of a significant minority in the UK. I really hope no one turns on Muslims as a result of what happened. Oh dear apocryphal final sentence. The question is which tabloid radicalised him? |
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