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Post by beef on Jul 14, 2021 21:56:10 GMT
I've been dreading this event horizon that we are being encouraged to roll over in a barrel by... I can't bring myself to say his putrid name... the so-called Prime Minister...
And today, out of the blue, I had exactly the kind of experience that I fear will make life more miserable for so many people from next week - free-dom-day
Our train home was cancelled because it was suddenly scheduled to miss out two stops (including ours) to make up for it's late running... and the following train was already cancelled, leaving over an hour until the next train... so we managed to find a workaround route that saved some of the time... I had a bag of chilled shopping and a really tired two year old with me... (sorry about this, it's all part of my rant)
On the alternative route there were a bunch of guys not wearing masks... but one got up and was going to lean over where I was standing to throw some rubbish in the bin... I just had this reflex that went "excuse me, you're not wearing a mask, get away from me"... this was as we were about to get off the train... and after we did, a girl (late teens, also no mask) started saying something as we walked along the platform - she said she saw what happened and I should have more respect... grief... what planet are we living on? I hadn't sworn at him, been rude or threatened him... just protecting myself, my son and anyone else who happened to benefit... in the few moments I was in her company I offered her an alternative interpretation of what respect was... but I had bags, a buggy and I didn't have time to argue... but I couldn't flipping believe it... it's left me bewildered and angry. And then Mrs B had a go at me because she thinks I'll get myself in some bother for saying this sort of thing...
Well, this is what is coming and this journey made me feel like I don't want to go anywhere again...Free-dom-day... as expected. I know a lot of people who have public-facing jobs will have had to stoically put up with this sort of crap for a long time, but it's going to be freely available to us all from next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 9:53:40 GMT
For those that are immunocompromissed this is like walking round with the sword of Damocles around every corner
Daily infection rates are rocketing up , the gamble seems to be how many have had both jabs , how effective
those vaccines are , jury is still out , still more varients to emerge.
This is going to play out for much longer than we all thought, stay safe stay 2mtr and carry on doing what youve all being doing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 9:54:09 GMT
For those that are immunocompromissed this is like walking round with the sword of Damocles around every corner
Daily infection rates are rocketing up , the gamble seems to be how many have had both jabs , how effective
those vaccines are , jury is still out , still more varients to emerge.
This is going to play out for much longer than we all thought, stay safe stay 2mtr and carry on doing what youve all being doing
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Post by mikey on Jul 15, 2021 10:43:59 GMT
I am sure that, globally, we could have beaten Covid if we tried to understand how SARS and MERS were tackled in the Far East. Selfish attitudes (it is their basic human right to ignore health and safety guidance/rules knowing this will lead to deaths) and poor leadership from Governments (we needed a better message early on than just keep washing your hands) has led to Covid becoming a pandemic with new variants developing. In the Far East, mask wearing was already routine, hands and surface being cleaned regularly and travel restrictions imposed with minimal fuss.
It is only because scientists have been able to develop vaccines that we are (hopefully) seeing an end to the worst of Covid, where would we be now and how many deaths of loved ones if the delta variant was endemic without the partial protection of a vaccination programme.
I desperately want to see an end to all this Covid but seeing the behaviour of anti mask wearers and anti vaccers (and let’s face it, they seem to be one and the same) I wonder if they really want it all to continue or are just too plain stupid to realise that we will only get through this by following what the health experts are advising. Of course there are those charlatans, calling themselves experts, who are encouraging people not to wear masks or be vaccinated and making a profit by exploiting them!
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Post by deserttraveller on Jul 26, 2021 13:05:24 GMT
I am sure that, globally, we could have beaten Covid if we tried to understand how SARS and MERS were tackled in the Far East. Selfish attitudes (it is their basic human right to ignore health and safety guidance/rules knowing this will lead to deaths) and poor leadership from Governments (we needed a better message early on than just keep washing your hands) has led to Covid becoming a pandemic with new variants developing. In the Far East, mask wearing was already routine, hands and surface being cleaned regularly and travel restrictions imposed with minimal fuss. It is only because scientists have been able to develop vaccines that we are (hopefully) seeing an end to the worst of Covid, where would we be now and how many deaths of loved ones if the delta variant was endemic without the partial protection of a vaccination programme. I desperately want to see an end to all this Covid but seeing the behaviour of anti mask wearers and anti vaccers (and let’s face it, they seem to be one and the same) I wonder if they really want it all to continue or are just too plain stupid to realise that we will only get through this by following what the health experts are advising. Of course there are those charlatans, calling themselves experts, who are encouraging people not to wear masks or be vaccinated and making a profit by exploiting them! Just heard the anti vaxxers on Radio 2, not one is medically qualified or a scientist and they seek to confirm their insane views by 'research' on social media, I say insane as some believe 5G is the cause! FFS! How does Covid spread in areas without 5G? Magic maybe. As soon as SARs was confirmed to be associated with wet markets they were banned in Hong Kong: rightly so. Not banning them in China made what’s happened almost certain.
Mikey yes the basics were ignored for too long and the best control- ventilation has all but been forgotten. We needed to approach it like a war and take stringent steps with the result that freedoms would be curtailed; this hasn’t really happened. Wishy washy laws with loopholes the sizes of tunnels, too little far too late. Imagine in WW2: I’m not building a bomb shelter, I got lost as they took all the signs down, who do I sue, I want proper food not rations, it’s a plot you know, Hitlers not real. That was called sedition, they were jailed.
Beef, I get so annoyed too, but I have a dreadful chest and someone too close gets a succession of wheezy coughs from me with the words "Id be grateful if you'd stand further away as I don't want to infect you" It usually works, someone muttered 'OMG' when I was waiting for my repeat prescription! |
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Post by calndel on Jul 26, 2021 13:34:56 GMT
While in sunny Jockland, the snp have set the whole country to level zero, which doesn't mean zero restrictions but many think it does, social distance and face covering fading fast.
Infection rates are dropping, mainly due to the school holidays but they will start to climb once the schools go back.
Another unreported issues is the lack of a vaccination drive for the young in Jockland, may be it's seen as an 'England' thing by the SNP.......
Fecking politicians
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Post by beef on Aug 14, 2021 21:31:24 GMT
I think I've unpeeled one layer of the onion (and I suspect there aren't many more layers to this)... the non-mask wearers are generally "blokes" 20-50 who call everyone "mate". I always disliked that presumptuous over-familiarity, and now I dislike it even more. One of them leaned over to put some bottles down on the checkout while I was still putting my shopping away (and no, I am not a dithery slow packer). I said to him "excuse me, do you mind?" but I don't think the words registered any meaning...
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Post by olirow on Aug 14, 2021 21:45:28 GMT
I think I've unpeeled one layer of the onion (and I suspect there aren't many more layers to this)... the non-mask wearers are generally "blokes" 20-50 who call everyone "mate". I always disliked that presumptuous over-familiarity, and now I dislike it even more. One of them leaned over to put some bottles down on the checkout while I was still putting my shopping away (and no, I am not a dithery slow packer). I said to him "excuse me, do you mind?" but I don't think the words registered any meaning... You know, I think you have a point that you can recognise these people from a distance. They all seem to have that world weary somewhat damaged pseudo tough guy look, as if something has gone badly wrong in their lives, and they are wearing it like a cloak. I sometimes ask myself what sort of personal journey they have been on because I am sure they didn't start like that. |
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Post by beef on Aug 14, 2021 22:15:26 GMT
I think I've unpeeled one layer of the onion (and I suspect there aren't many more layers to this)... the non-mask wearers are generally "blokes" 20-50 who call everyone "mate". I always disliked that presumptuous over-familiarity, and now I dislike it even more. One of them leaned over to put some bottles down on the checkout while I was still putting my shopping away (and no, I am not a dithery slow packer). I said to him "excuse me, do you mind?" but I don't think the words registered any meaning... You know, I think you have a point that you can recognise these people from a distance. They all seem to have that world weary somewhat damaged pseudo tough guy look, as if something has gone badly wrong in their lives, and they are wearing it like a cloak. I sometimes ask myself what sort of personal journey they have been on because I am sure they didn't start like that. I don't know olirow, I count myself as damaged goods (and I think just about everyone is in some way), but I try to be self-aware, learn and hope not to inflict aspects of myself on others. I think it's a binary passive-agressive mentality which sees everyone as an object to be co-opted into "being" their "mate" in combination with next to zero self awareness. Either that or they just listen very carefully to every word our god-forsaken government leaks out of its orifices. |
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Post by beef on Aug 31, 2021 15:25:55 GMT
With 100000s of UK cases while we're being bribed and bullied back to "normality", masked or unmasked and at the same time vaccine efficacy waning, is it almost better just to catch the damned thing (if double jabbed) and think of it as an immune system booster? Or spend forever hoping to somehow avoid it?
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Post by Zenrider on Aug 31, 2021 20:17:31 GMT
With 100000s of UK cases while we're being bribed and bullied back to "normality", masked or unmasked and at the same time vaccine efficacy waning, is it almost better just to catch the damned thing (if double jabbed) and think of it as an immune system booster? Or spend forever hoping to somehow avoid it? It has always been inevitable that we would eventually just have to live with Covid. Due to stupid politics (antivax and antimask), fewer will have that option and variants are going to delay the ability to'live' with it. People that were vaxed before catching Covid are fortunate they will never know if it would have been worse had they not been vaccinated. Whereas, the unvaccinated will know it would have been better if they had been. The only bad cases I've heard from the vaccinated have been very elderly or had serious health issues. Have not heard of anyone that had more common health issues, asthma, and even diabetes, that were vaccinated having severe cases of COVID-19. In the meantime we can hope the vaccine makers come up with boosters targeting the variants, perhaps that even anticipate them. |
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Post by mikey on Aug 31, 2021 21:31:03 GMT
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Post by beef on Sept 1, 2021 8:24:15 GMT
...they probably want the strange old lady down the road burnt as a witch... |
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Post by mikey on Sept 1, 2021 8:36:59 GMT
...they probably want the strange old lady down the road burnt as a witch... Yes, but not for witchcraft for being a scientist |
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Post by sc on Sept 1, 2021 9:06:55 GMT
With 100000s of UK cases while we're being bribed and bullied back to "normality", masked or unmasked and at the same time vaccine efficacy waning, is it almost better just to catch the damned thing (if double jabbed) and think of it as an immune system booster? Or spend forever hoping to somehow avoid it? It has always been inevitable that we would eventually just have to live with Covid. Due to stupid politics (antivax and antimask), fewer will have that option and variants are going to delay the ability to'live' with it. People that were vaxed before catching Covid are fortunate they will never know if it would have been worse had they not been vaccinated. Whereas, the unvaccinated will know it would have been better if they had been. The only bad cases I've heard from the vaccinated have been very elderly or had serious health issues. Have not heard of anyone that had more common health issues, asthma, and even diabetes, that were vaccinated having severe cases of COVID-19. In the meantime we can hope the vaccine makers come up with boosters targeting the variants, perhaps that even anticipate them. Yes we will have to learn how to live with it, Covid from now onwards will always be around, much like Cholera, TB, flu etc. And like all those other diseases and viruses we need to learn how society needs to change in order to suppress it to acceptable levels. Much like Cholera 150 odd years ago would still regularly sweep through major cities, until societies learned it came from sewage and dirty water and changed to resolve that, Cholera became suppressed and that change became the norm and the standard people lived to. From what we currently know (but as more knowledge is gained this may well change) the way society needs to change in order to suppress Covid, is via vaccination. I guess the issues that currently faces us if we vaccinate are; who do we vaccinate? Everyone or do we follow what we do with flu and going forward, only vaccinate the people “at risk”? If so who is classed as “at risk”? The over 50’s plus clinically vulnerable? And then if we don’t vaccinate everyone, we have issue about Long Covid, how big an issue will this be? Lots of big unknowns and big questions |
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