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Post by beef on Jun 6, 2019 6:57:49 GMT
No, SC - it's hard to be over cynical in this age - from the types of people involved in mainstream politics, their willingness to demonise/punish sections of society to achieve their goals, to the way parties are funded by the super-rich, to the way the parties are portrayed in most of the media (more super rich influence). It's all super cynical. And depressing and bad for us all.
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Post by sc on Jun 6, 2019 7:54:19 GMT
I must admit I feel uncomfortable with my analogy of the political extremes and spoilt children, feels a bit OTT. But, currently I am struggling to think of a replacement.
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Post by mikey on Jun 23, 2019 10:53:06 GMT
Following on from what I put in the Womad line up thread
BBC cutbacks are hitting us bad (not just for Womad). And then I sit across from a colleague who is about to cancel her licence fee because of her ‘disgust’ with BBC and its biased reporting! Part of her argument is that ‘do you know the BBC has a statue by a paedophile outside it’s centre’. Complete b*ll*ks of a reason (although true - look up if you want to) and I lost it with her. If you remove statues by Eric Gill (who influenced British art movement for last century) then you also need to delete Gill Sans type font from your computer word processing programmes etc. Somehow, she could understand what the Daily Mail said when criticising the BBC but could not follow my argument about the type font.
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Post by sc on Jun 23, 2019 21:59:15 GMT
I don't really get your insistence that Labour and the Tories are leave parties since that is clearly not the case. Sure there are sizeable leave minorities in both cases, and both say they want to push through the results of the referendum, but that doesn't make them leave parties. That is not really even a debatable point. Further to my previous brief post supporting why I call the Current Labour Party as "Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit Labour Party" and being a Pro-Brexit Party despite the wishes of it's Members. How about this? straight from the horses mouth so to speak. 19th June 2019 "Jeremy Corbyn confirmed at the special Brexit meeting of the shadow cabinet today that Labour is now committed to a public vote on any Brexit deal – but not to supporting Remain." ....... I'll let that sink in ............. "...... but not to supporting Remain" Perhaps though it is simply the right wing msn* putting out more lies labourlist.org/2019/06/corbyn-we-have-committed-to-respecting-the-result-of-the-referendum/?fbclid=IwAR0s0pvlG6O3jDjevyYcSZJ7YTdIVCb0yeDZKpCZENHM6v80V7bQEz8--5U *For clarity, I am using the acronym of "msn" to mean "Main Stream Media" and not "Men having Sex with Men", "Men Sitting Naked" or "Microsoft Service Network", just to avoid confusion  |
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Post by olirow on Jun 23, 2019 22:51:24 GMT
I don't really get your insistence that Labour and the Tories are leave parties since that is clearly not the case. Sure there are sizeable leave minorities in both cases, and both say they want to push through the results of the referendum, but that doesn't make them leave parties. That is not really even a debatable point. Further to my previous brief post supporting why I call the Current Labour Party as "Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit Labour Party" and being a Pro-Brexit Party despite the wishes of it's Members. How about this? straight from the horses mouth so to speak. 19th June 2019 "Jeremy Corbyn confirmed at the special Brexit meeting of the shadow cabinet today that Labour is now committed to a public vote on any Brexit deal – but not to supporting Remain." ....... I'll let that sink in ............. "...... but not to supporting Remain" Perhaps though it is simply the right wing msn* putting out more lies labourlist.org/2019/06/corbyn-we-have-committed-to-respecting-the-result-of-the-referendum/?fbclid=IwAR0s0pvlG6O3jDjevyYcSZJ7YTdIVCb0yeDZKpCZENHM6v80V7bQEz8--5U *For clarity, I am using the acronym of "msn" to mean "Main Stream Media" and not "Men having Sex with Men", "Men Sitting Naked" or "Microsoft Service Network", just to avoid confusion Well thank you for that. Were those his actual words? No, well what a surprise. It's a bit tricky this political stuff, particularly if you've addled your brain. Keep trying though. |
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Post by sc on Jun 23, 2019 23:14:03 GMT
Further to my previous brief post supporting why I call the Current Labour Party as "Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit Labour Party" and being a Pro-Brexit Party despite the wishes of it's Members. How about this? straight from the horses mouth so to speak. 19th June 2019 "Jeremy Corbyn confirmed at the special Brexit meeting of the shadow cabinet today that Labour is now committed to a public vote on any Brexit deal – but not to supporting Remain." ....... I'll let that sink in ............. "...... but not to supporting Remain" Perhaps though it is simply the right wing msn* putting out more lies labourlist.org/2019/06/corbyn-we-have-committed-to-respecting-the-result-of-the-referendum/?fbclid=IwAR0s0pvlG6O3jDjevyYcSZJ7YTdIVCb0yeDZKpCZENHM6v80V7bQEz8--5U *For clarity, I am using the acronym of "msn" to mean "Main Stream Media" and not "Men having Sex with Men", "Men Sitting Naked" or "Microsoft Service Network", just to avoid confusion Well thank you for that. Were those his actual words? No, well what a surprise. It's a bit tricky this political stuff, particularly if you've addled your brain. Keep trying though. It's from Labourlist.org, so is that not to be trusted? |
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Post by sc on Jun 23, 2019 23:27:28 GMT
Further to my previous brief post supporting why I call the Current Labour Party as "Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit Labour Party" and being a Pro-Brexit Party despite the wishes of it's Members. How about this? straight from the horses mouth so to speak. 19th June 2019 "Jeremy Corbyn confirmed at the special Brexit meeting of the shadow cabinet today that Labour is now committed to a public vote on any Brexit deal – but not to supporting Remain." ....... I'll let that sink in ............. "...... but not to supporting Remain" Perhaps though it is simply the right wing msn* putting out more lies labourlist.org/2019/06/corbyn-we-have-committed-to-respecting-the-result-of-the-referendum/?fbclid=IwAR0s0pvlG6O3jDjevyYcSZJ7YTdIVCb0yeDZKpCZENHM6v80V7bQEz8--5U *For clarity, I am using the acronym of "msn" to mean "Main Stream Media" and not "Men having Sex with Men", "Men Sitting Naked" or "Microsoft Service Network", just to avoid confusion Well thank you for that. Were those his actual words? No, well what a surprise. It's a bit tricky this political stuff, particularly if you've addled your brain. Keep trying though. Just looked at the "About" it of Laborlist.org and it states "About LabourList is the leading place for news, views and debate about the Labour Party. Its readers and contributors come from across the labour movement and range from MPs and peers to grassroots activists. We are supportive of the Labour Party, but independent of it. There will always be debate within Labour and our purpose is to provide a forum for the full range of views rather than to take sides. We believe the UK is best served by a Labour government because only a democratic socialist party can deliver a strong welfare state, social and educational equality and an NHS free at the point of use. LabourList was launched in 2009 and now attracts 12 million page views every year. If you have a question about any of our adverts or sponsored content, you can find more information here." If we cannot trust them, who should I be getting the truth from? Really interested to know. |
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Post by sc on Jun 24, 2019 0:05:15 GMT
Further to my previous brief post supporting why I call the Current Labour Party as "Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit Labour Party" and being a Pro-Brexit Party despite the wishes of it's Members. How about this? straight from the horses mouth so to speak. 19th June 2019 "Jeremy Corbyn confirmed at the special Brexit meeting of the shadow cabinet today that Labour is now committed to a public vote on any Brexit deal – but not to supporting Remain." ....... I'll let that sink in ............. "...... but not to supporting Remain" Perhaps though it is simply the right wing msn* putting out more lies labourlist.org/2019/06/corbyn-we-have-committed-to-respecting-the-result-of-the-referendum/?fbclid=IwAR0s0pvlG6O3jDjevyYcSZJ7YTdIVCb0yeDZKpCZENHM6v80V7bQEz8--5U *For clarity, I am using the acronym of "msn" to mean "Main Stream Media" and not "Men having Sex with Men", "Men Sitting Naked" or "Microsoft Service Network", just to avoid confusion Well thank you for that. Were those his actual words? No, well what a surprise. It's a bit tricky this political stuff, particularly if you've addled your brain. Keep trying though. What were his actual words then if Labourlist.org are misquoting him? I genuinely want to know, I understand msm only represents the establishment Parties, ie the parties that have ruled the Country for the last 100 years (Conservative and Labour). But I do look elsewhere to get facts. |
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Post by olirow on Jun 24, 2019 19:37:48 GMT
You could read the actual quote in the Labour List article. As you say, LL is independent of the Labour party. I don't believe any other media sources made the claim in bold in your post.
I am pleased we are both remainers because if we actually held a different view this thread could get quite heated:)
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Post by olirow on Jun 24, 2019 19:50:53 GMT
My beautiful daughter, who is so dyslexic she can hardly spell, got a first in her biology degree from Durham. She found out earlier today. I am just so proud of her.
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Post by sc on Jun 24, 2019 20:04:29 GMT
My beautiful daughter, who is so dyslexic she can hardly spell, got a first in her biology degree from Durham. She found out earlier today. I am just so proud of her. That’s brilliant news 😀 I too am dyslexic, but luckily it was identified early and I managed to start reading and writing at about 10 years old. You must be very proud, she will do really well, she has had to work far harder than others to get her achievements 😀 |
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Post by deserttraveller on Jul 6, 2019 14:49:28 GMT
My beautiful daughter, who is so dyslexic she can hardly spell, got a first in her biology degree from Durham. She found out earlier today. I am just so proud of her. Brilliant news Olirow! Our Son now left Birmingham with an upper 2:1 BSc said in his final year, "My pal who is dyslexic thinks I might be, a proper uni agreed external assessment costs £500 quid, but £350 if done through the uni". I said, thinking I 've always wondered if I am, if you want a test in your final year of uni if it comes out positive I'll pay; If not you pay. Thinking it would concentrate his mind as to whether it was worth it. So I ended up sending him £350! A pity no one picked up on it before then as I think that upper 2:1 would have been a first. He has a job in London. The other son has ADHD and is very clever, got a first 6 years ago, got a corporate job in a big bank, lasted 2 years, hated it because it was all about greed. After doing his MSC in Sweden- free, no fees to pay, works in a bar in Sweden but cant get a permanent job because the Swedes think he might not have the right to stay when (not if) we Brexit! We love Sweden almost as much as he does, a real social democracy that by and large works. The swedes openly laugh at the UK and cant believe we are leaving. He is almost broken by having to return to London where he has a job in a top corporate consultancy firm who you'd think would be solid Tory- its run by one of Cameron's men, but in the final interview they challenged him on his views and I think were impressed he was able to defend them with logical reasons. I'm encouraged they didnt just want a blue puppet. I try to avoid the news at the moment as Brexit really brings me down. |
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Post by olirow on Jul 7, 2019 7:36:00 GMT
Thanks DT.
I wonder how many dyslexic people don't get the necessary support academically because of the associated costs - quite a large percentage I would think. We've needed to pay for numerous reports from various professionals which others quite likely wouldn't be able to afford.
So already we are seeing one of the terrible consequences of Brexit - the fact that Brits won't be able to get permanent employment in Europe. Not something that our media often report, and bound to make us an even more insular society over time.
Sweden is a great role model for much of the world to aspire to, and proof that social based thinking and politics can work. It's what we could start working towards with a positive attitude and a progressive socialist government. You need both for it to work.
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Post by beef on Jul 7, 2019 11:59:09 GMT
When (it's already happening) the fallout from brexit starts to cause significant problems, it will never be the far-right populists' fault. it will be May, the EU, Parliament, that get the blame for not being able to agree a deal which would satisfy those willing to compromise and the hard brexiteer fantasists. I did read this suggestion a little while ago, which could satisfy all: In reality if The Establishment Parties of The Conservatives and Labour survive this, as usual they will write history to blame the minority parties (especially The LibDems) as those that buggered things up. However, the real history will be there for researchers, but who cares about them? Most people read and listen to what they want to believe, rather than the truth ......... or am I being overly cynical? Agreed. This single photo tells just about everything that is wrong with our political system and as a consequence, our society - images.app.goo.gl/UB4aejt5BKWhtHpf7 |
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Post by Zenrider on Jul 9, 2019 1:42:04 GMT
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