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Post by mikey on Apr 2, 2020 6:30:16 GMT
So difficult isn’t it, we changed tactic, went lockdown, since last week, we have 1 million new Universal Credit applicants, how do we recover from that? It’s huge, Sweden, stays open, stays with “herd immunity” theory. But they have different population base, different infrastructure etc. But will be interesting (is that the right word with something so serious), how the two countries compare. Future generations will learn a lot from this. Yes, but as I remember it, when the government was talking about herd immunity and a flattening of the bell curve there was also an emphasis that this would require a massive testing regime. We had drive through testing centres being set up and I guess barely used. And now we are hardly seeing any testing of frontline nhs staff let alone the national population when they show symptoms. perhaps countries like Sweden know what they are doing and actually prepared for 5heir own plans. there must be an enquiry when this is all over, to learn lessons and ensure proper preparation if something similar happens in the future. It will not put the government in a good light, presumably there will be delays to accepting an enquiry needs to take place, delays to the procedures happening and delays to any announcement of the findings. |
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Post by mikey on Apr 2, 2020 6:40:29 GMT
We "self isolated" too for the last two weeks, I came out on Monday. "Self Isolation" don't get testing over here either! Really hope you are well ZenRider, these are shit times and we must stick together. Don't be disheartened or distracted by the hateful posts that want to sow distraction, doubt, misinformation and harm to humanity. Yeah, it sucks. Don't feel that bad right now and hopefully it won't get too bad. Got all my paperwork for Emergency Paid Leave and informed work of my situation. Good thing is there is nothing I really need to go out for. Am going to look at having some off the counter medicines delivered, don't have any 'Tylenol' and they recommend that more than Aspirin, which I usually prefer for things. Once I see how they are going to be shipped, I might put my mail on hold for a week. One less thing, right? Hope your symptoms remain mild and you recover swiftly |
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Post by nigenet on Apr 2, 2020 10:34:16 GMT
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Post by sc on Apr 2, 2020 10:39:51 GMT
So difficult isn’t it, we changed tactic, went lockdown, since last week, we have 1 million new Universal Credit applicants, how do we recover from that? It’s huge, Sweden, stays open, stays with “herd immunity” theory. But they have different population base, different infrastructure etc. But will be interesting (is that the right word with something so serious), how the two countries compare. Future generations will learn a lot from this. Yes, but as I remember it, when the government was talking about herd immunity and a flattening of the bell curve there was also an emphasis that this would require a massive testing regime. We had drive through testing centres being set up and I guess barely used. And now we are hardly seeing any testing of frontline nhs staff let alone the national population when they show symptoms. perhaps countries like Sweden know what they are doing and actually prepared for 5heir own plans. there must be an enquiry when this is all over, to learn lessons and ensure proper preparation if something similar happens in the future. It will not put the government in a good light, presumably there will be delays to accepting an enquiry needs to take place, delays to the procedures happening and delays to any announcement of the findings. Yes, there must be an enquiry, the difference between Countries is staggering. For example my Sister-in-law returned from the UK to Melbourne approximately two weeks ago. When she arrived at Melbourne she had to go into 2 weeks quarantine at home. She was tested for Covid19 on day one and was negative, then she was tested again at the end of quarantine (again negative). What a staggering difference, there, you are tested TWICE if they are at all worried, here, we have only tested 2,000 front line NHS staff. Why are we not testing? If it's one great big cock up then say so, we are all human, most people understand the pressures and would understand, (much like the ventilator cock up) but not saying? Diverting questions? That just makes people angry and you loose the trust of the people. What we need now more than ever is Trust and Hope |
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Post by sc on Apr 2, 2020 10:45:26 GMT
The only reason more people don't know people that have it is, because there is not enough testing going on. Add, me to one of those that might have it, gets to stay home for 10 to 14 days, but there is no test for me. If these were normal times, I would have probably considered going to work today, but these are not normal times. I'm glad I didn't, because the symptoms that were barely noticeable earlier today are becoming far more noticeable as the day has progressed. Typing this out now, because I'm not that bad yet, but my brain has been just not all there for me suddenly. Which I found out on my video Dr thing, is one of the symptoms. The test my doctor's office has takes about two weeks to get a result, so not much use except to test critically ill people, so you at least know whether they died from it or not. By the way, they didn't say that, that was my thought, though probably theirs too. We have great health care in America, but our system stinks. I'm fortunate to have reasonably good insurance. It's not as good as it used to be, but better than what a lot of people have. The sad thing is, there are better faster tests, the World Health Organization offered them to the USA, but for the extra messed up Trump bureaucracy, it's made things far worse than it had to be. President Obama handed them 'how to handle a pandemic' on a platter, including with a team of specialist doctors and such, but the Trump Republicans so want to do the opposite of what the intelligent black guy did right. They don't care if they do everything wrong as long as it's not what President Obama did. Or in many cases, blow up what he did, just to resign it with their title, but little to no changes. Since their base has their heads so far up their collective asses, they believe everything the Orange Turd says, even if it contradicts what he said the day, or even hours before. The only reason the Republicans started caring at all, is they finally realized viruses don't attack based on party lines no matter how hard they pray, and a lot of their voters are old and or with health conditions. Even so, they are still wanting to throw money without a thought to corporations, most of which have billions hoarded in offshore accounts, not to mention over paid corporate management that could more than afford a pay cut. Yet they are laying people off left and right and will likely give themselves bonuses out of tax money just like they did when G.W. Bush was President. Of course, working people have to jump through hoops to get a pittance. I think corporations taking money, that should be based on what they've paid in taxes for say the last 10 years. Oh, you paid no taxes, tough, you've been receiving an annual bailout fund already. Yeah, I know, if only what was right was. Beside so many workers that are effected by Covid-19 I do feel for a lot of small businesses and especially local pubs and restaurants. Especially as, a lot of them are doing far more for their employees than most corporations. This is extremely painful for them, and the government is not throwing lots of money at them. Hope you're feeling better soon ZenRider, keep us all updated, Stay safe |
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Post by calndel on Apr 2, 2020 20:51:25 GMT
Get well soon ZR
We are with you all the way.
One of Cal's nephews was ill last week and he thinks it was you know what (he wasn't tested).
He said it was like a bad hangover that lasted 3 days.
Good luck and bug hugs from 2ms away
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Post by standing stone on Apr 2, 2020 21:15:42 GMT
The only reason more people don't know people that have it is, because there is not enough testing going on. Add, me to one of those that might have it, gets to stay home for 10 to 14 days, but there is no test for me. If these were normal times, I would have probably considered going to work today, but these are not normal times. I'm glad I didn't, because the symptoms that were barely noticeable earlier today are becoming far more noticeable as the day has progressed. Typing this out now, because I'm not that bad yet, but my brain has been just not all there for me suddenly. Which I found out on my video Dr thing, is one of the symptoms. The test my doctor's office has takes about two weeks to get a result, so not much use except to test critically ill people, so you at least know whether they died from it or not. By the way, they didn't say that, that was my thought, though probably theirs too. We have great health care in America, but our system stinks. I'm fortunate to have reasonably good insurance. It's not as good as it used to be, but better than what a lot of people have. The sad thing is, there are better faster tests, the World Health Organization offered them to the USA, but for the extra messed up Trump bureaucracy, it's made things far worse than it had to be. President Obama handed them 'how to handle a pandemic' on a platter, including with a team of specialist doctors and such, but the Trump Republicans so want to do the opposite of what the intelligent black guy did right. They don't care if they do everything wrong as long as it's not what President Obama did. Or in many cases, blow up what he did, just to resign it with their title, but little to no changes. Since their base has their heads so far up their collective asses, they believe everything the Orange Turd says, even if it contradicts what he said the day, or even hours before. The only reason the Republicans started caring at all, is they finally realized viruses don't attack based on party lines no matter how hard they pray, and a lot of their voters are old and or with health conditions. Even so, they are still wanting to throw money without a thought to corporations, most of which have billions hoarded in offshore accounts, not to mention over paid corporate management that could more than afford a pay cut. Yet they are laying people off left and right and will likely give themselves bonuses out of tax money just like they did when G.W. Bush was President. Of course, working people have to jump through hoops to get a pittance. I think corporations taking money, that should be based on what they've paid in taxes for say the last 10 years. Oh, you paid no taxes, tough, you've been receiving an annual bailout fund already. Yeah, I know, if only what was right was. Beside so many workers that are effected by Covid-19 I do feel for a lot of small businesses and especially local pubs and restaurants. Especially as, a lot of them are doing far more for their employees than most corporations. This is extremely painful for them, and the government is not throwing lots of money at them. Zenrider, you are one of the most prepared for anything and absolutely able to do stuff kind of person I have met -well not met yet,but you know what I mean. How ate you fixed for help, if you need it? A friendly neighbour to keep an eye on you, maybe, as you would for them? Are you feeling any better or worse? Please keep in touch as far as is comfortable to do so. X |
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Post by Zenrider on Apr 2, 2020 23:28:08 GMT
It's been an interesting couple of days. The thing with it is, you start feeling bad, then it kinda backs off. About when you think maybe you over reacted it comes back. The cough is persistent, but so far, not continuous. So far, no real fever, but sometimes I start feeling warm. In some ways it's like getting sick in reverse. Normally you get all kinds of congestion and stuff before you start coughing and the dry cough comes in more at the end. This is starting with a dry cough, with occasionally hints of something building up. Only slight nasal congestion and sore throat so far. Talk just fine, don't sound sick, well, until I start dry coughing, which is probably what's causing people that have it to have blood shot eyes. Feel dizzy every now and again, and a bit of muddy brain. Forgot to add, on and off mild intestinal/nasea stuff. Actually, had some last weekend, which actually might of been the first indicator. Also, gets the grocery store off the hook as that would have been too soon. Actually, I think I know who I got this from, but of course, can't prove it.
Thanks for the well wishes. Hoping this stays mild. My normal blood pressure and stuff is good, so odds are good that I'll be fine, even if it gets worst for a few days. Though it's possible my last store run is where I got it, I still suspect it was at work. Mostly as, for most, the initial symptoms are so mild and cold like familiar, a lot of people with milder cases will probably medicate and continue to work, not really giving any thought to what they are bringing to work with them. Largely out of the misconception that everyone who gets it gets violently ill, though many do to varying degrees. I figure if I don't get much or any worse in a few days, I'm going to be one of the lucky ones. More importantly, I'm doing all I can not to spread it to anyone else.
Talked to my mother today, so obviously she's a bit freaked. I now have to make sure I at least message her daily and promised to call for help if I get really, really sick. Of course, now she's had to promise me to not get sick until my 10-14 days is up, as I will NOT be able to do anything for her. Now she's thankful for all the extra hay I threw down for her at her place last time I was there. I had a feeling when I went I was not going back likely until, at the very earliest, the end of April. Last thing I need is for her to be climbing around on an pile of baled hay.
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Post by Zenrider on Apr 3, 2020 4:19:01 GMT
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Post by beef on Apr 3, 2020 7:50:20 GMT
Thanks for the update Zenrider - hope you're well again soon... in the meantime you're going to have to check in here everyday too so we know you're ok...
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Post by mikey on Apr 3, 2020 11:37:39 GMT
Thanks for the update Zenrider - hope you're well again soon... in the meantime you're going to have to check in here everyday too so we know you're ok... Stay the f**k home, check in everyday to let us know you are ok, and give us something to laugh at. A tall order but you are doing well so far 😀 |
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Post by calndel on Apr 4, 2020 6:47:08 GMT
Fingers crossed it doesn't get any worse for you Zenrider.
One tip Del would pass on, don't spend your evening online watch concerts videos on YouTube will video calling a friend and drinking Spanish brandy.
It's great fun at the time but the next morning isn't.
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Post by Rendrags on Apr 4, 2020 9:59:19 GMT
Thinking of you ZR, hoping your symptoms don't get any worse and you start feeling better soon. Please keep us posted.
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Post by Zenrider on Apr 4, 2020 20:00:51 GMT
One of the problems is most employers begrudge you any time you take off, especially time they've agreed to pay for. Despite the PR from corporations, they still aren't great about it now. Missed my call from my center's nurse to authorize the paid covid leave. Apparently, a doctor's letter is not good enough. Called back within 15 minutes, but must have been the end of their day. Will probably call Monday. You would think they'd send an email saying when they were going to call, given few of us answer calls we don't recognize. Anyway, regardless of all that, the doctor says I can't leave home for 10-14 days. More so, I have to be cough free for 3 days, so that's that no matter what. So far, my tractor partner is fine, so our cleaning diligence may be paying off. We rarely see each other face to face, so that probably has helped, as breathing it in is how most people are getting it. What I find interesting is now they are recommending face masks when here are none. Hopefully gangs aren't using bandanas anymore.  |
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Post by calndel on Apr 4, 2020 20:57:14 GMT
if you need a bandanna, it has to be tie dye  |
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