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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 17:17:25 GMT
This Government are where i expect them to be , and that is All Over The Place
no consistancy , no transparency, limp lame duck , cant wait for the next General Election
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Post by deserttraveller on Jun 28, 2021 17:23:04 GMT
asI got the email almost to the second a thunderstorm started with thunder, the Gods are not happy.
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Post by beef on Jun 28, 2021 17:39:35 GMT
Sad, unnessesary but almost inevitable given the pantomime government we're lumbered with. At least there will still be Womad in 2022. Meanwhile, in a parallel universe...  |
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Post by Rendrags on Jun 28, 2021 18:19:53 GMT
Mixed emotions - sad and bloody annoyed.
This is such a well worded and powerful statement from Womad.
It's shocking how shoddily Womad and other festivals have been treated by this government.
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Post by Rendrags on Jun 28, 2021 18:39:57 GMT
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Post by beef on Jun 28, 2021 18:53:51 GMT
We just need someone to flip the switch to get that fan spinning... mind you, after 11 years of this Tory freak show there's probably so much shit glued to it now that it, and we, are well and truly fucked. Yet somehow, these arsewipes are still something for the masses to go on voting for...
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Post by currygoat on Jun 28, 2021 18:59:49 GMT
Loved those first Womads at Charlton Park that made a loss but were covered by Peter Gabriel who pulls in about 2 million dollars a month. After sorting out his kids' inheritance, what else has Peter got to spend his money on?
When festivals have to pay for themselves or rely on state funding, they become horrible corporate affairs. There is nothing better than a rich patron who subsidises a festival and enables it to give the quality of service a corporate venture is unable to provide.
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Post by deserttraveller on Jun 28, 2021 19:03:58 GMT
NA, all the saved events had one common thing, large corporate hospitality sections. Womad- back bar behind the stage. "Where did I put my VIP tickets for cheltenham, Silverstone, the euro finals and Wimbledon centre court final (sitting next to each other with the roof on)? I know I left them on my hedge fund managers desk whilst I took a call about the Ferrari's brakes (10k to change a set). Womad!? full of Guardian reading lefties and pinkies I shouldn't wonder, More champers anyone?"
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Post by currygoat on Jun 28, 2021 22:08:57 GMT
Womad used to be a music lovers' festival before it became a Guardian lovers' festival. The irony is that had the Guardian readers had their way back when Womad was building, 99.9% of Peter Gabriel's income would have been taxed and only the state would have been allowed to put on festivals so Womad would never have come into existence because Peter would not have been allowed to subsidise its losses. Your beloved EU has probably got a Directive that we are still bound by that prohibits Peter from subsidising Womad under unfair competition rules.
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Post by beef on Jun 28, 2021 22:34:22 GMT
Womad used to be a music lovers' festival before it became a Guardian lovers' festival. The irony is that had the Guardian readers had their way back when Womad was building, 99.9% of Peter Gabriel's income would have been taxed and only the state would have been allowed to put on festivals so Womad would never have come into existence because Peter would not have been allowed to subsidise its losses. Your beloved EU has probably got a Directive that we are still bound by that prohibits Peter from subsidising Womad under unfair competition rules. Agree that since it's move to CP, Womad has become evermore middle class, which has killed some of the vibe and audience diversity. But I think a 99.9% tax rate would be a bit high, even for the most ardent Guardian readers. The funding of Womad will not have anything to do with EU unfair competition rules - they apply to governments subdidising industries to provide an advantage over businesses in other EU states - given today's news that is the last thing that Womad is getting. Womad is a charity and can accept donations from any legally funded entity... so unless PG is somehow using Womad as a front for money laundering, I'm sure his support and donations are all completely legal and legitimate. Perhaps even extremely generous and given with the best of intentions - to promote the understanding and enjoyment of other cultures. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 23:07:29 GMT
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Post by deserttraveller on Jun 28, 2021 23:23:39 GMT
The first Womad was a massive failure that would have bankrupted Peter had not members of his old band agreed to do a 1 off gig with him to help out. It was Six of the Best at Milton Keynes. I was there back in 1983 I think. My God it was wetter than wet.
The EU has never introduced anything festival specific, in fact the UK has led the world in festival guidance, some of which is used worldwide.
Festivals have changed, all of them, most are much more diverse, there are too many so the butter is spread thin and an adverse event can kill one off. To make one pay you need to stay in a safe zone, nothing too madcap or outragous, even the BOOM at Boomtown was silenced.
I bet one of the dates Womad needed help from PG was in 2007 the first year at Charlton. The site is better but like many others the vibe has changed in the last few years; I think since 2011. Name a festival that is still edgy? Maybe as Womad is well run its boring, no toilet turd surfing, ample water points, campsites not flooding, all systems working, clean, no all nighters the campsite etc. TBH that’s what I need at my age, maybe the festival crowd have aged with the festivals and its us & not the festival that’s lost the vibe. At least Womad doesn't have huge hospitality areas.
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Post by mikey on Jun 29, 2021 7:08:40 GMT
If I was cynical, I would say the choice of Latitude And Download as test events was all just a precursor to ensuring Readingand Leeds go ahead. Remember how quick they were to announce they were going ahead, selling tickets even though it seemed a bit reckless at the time. Unlike independent festivals, L&R are too big to fail (too big in terms of income generated) and do what they can to screw as much extra money out of punters as they can. All this on top of possible TV/radio coverage, additional sponsorship deals and attention after all the competition has had to cancel.
As I said, if I was cynical I would say they had been using their influence to get the DDCMS on their side but I am not. So sure nothing like that was going on.
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Post by sc on Jun 29, 2021 8:16:31 GMT
If I was cynical, I would say the choice of Latitude And Download as test events was all just a precursor to ensuring Readingand Leeds go ahead. Remember how quick they were to announce they were going ahead, selling tickets even though it seemed a bit reckless at the time. Unlike independent festivals, L&R are too big to fail (too big in terms of income generated) and do what they can to screw as much extra money out of punters as they can. All this on top of possible TV/radio coverage, additional sponsorship deals and attention after all the competition has had to cancel. As I said, if I was cynical I would say they had been using their influence to get the DDCMS on their side but I am not. So sure nothing like that was going on. Good point, if we put ourselves in the shoes of the Civil Servants what would be learnt from testing WOMAD? It isn’t a small Leeds or Reading! The behaviour of the crowd is different, the standard of hygiene is different, the age profile is different. Those differences make WOMAD wonderful and pretty unique and why I have no yearning to go to Reading Festival. DT is right, it is us that have changed, we now want a nice safe festival with good quality music, toilets clean enough to eat your lunch in and respectful polite audience. The Civil Servants wouldn’t learn anything about how to run Reading or Leeds and still keep it popular with kids from such a festival. So unfortunately what we may see as Womad’s strong points may unfortunately be the very points that mean it wasn’t picked. 😞 |
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Post by currygoat on Jun 29, 2021 9:30:32 GMT
Womad used to be a music lovers' festival before it became a Guardian lovers' festival. The irony is that had the Guardian readers had their way back when Womad was building, 99.9% of Peter Gabriel's income would have been taxed and only the state would have been allowed to put on festivals so Womad would never have come into existence because Peter would not have been allowed to subsidise its losses. Your beloved EU has probably got a Directive that we are still bound by that prohibits Peter from subsidising Womad under unfair competition rules. Womad is a charity and can accept donations from any legally funded entity... so unless PG is somehow using Womad as a front for money laundering, I'm sure his support and donations are all completely legal and legitimate. Perhaps even extremely generous and given with the best of intentions - to promote the understanding and enjoyment of other cultures. If there is no problem with a super-rich patron running Womad at a loss, we could have a music lovers festival without World of Words, Jon Snow, the free babysitting stuff and day tickets. Womad could even subsidise coaches to bring music lovers from across the UK to the festival. You can't run a festival purely for lovers of the world's music that will pay for itself so it needs a rich patron to subsidise it every year. If you are a world's music lover dedicated to promoting the enjoyment of other cultures and you are pulling in 2 million dollars a month, what better way is there to spend your money (after sorting out your kids' inheritance, of course)? |
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