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Post by mikey on Jun 29, 2021 11:27:01 GMT
Perhaps PG could persuade Steve Jobs to help out with the funding as well. They could then call it something like Apple Corps. What could go wrong?
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Post by currygoat on Jun 29, 2021 12:28:23 GMT
Name a festival that is still edgy? Maybe as Womad is well run its boring, no toilet turd surfing, ample water points, campsites not flooding, all systems working, clean, no all nighters the campsite etc. This is a straw man argument. Who was arguing for edgy? Not me, I am arguing for a festival that caters for music lovers. You are trying to sell the idea that there are only two choices of festival, edgy or safe and that all safe festivals have to compete for Guardian readers to be safe. Womad has become a Guardian readers' festival first and a music lovers' festival second. Peter Gabriel could run the festival at a loss every year and get rid of the stuff that panders to Guardian readers. |
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Post by sc on Jun 29, 2021 13:19:11 GMT
Name a festival that is still edgy? Maybe as Womad is well run its boring, no toilet turd surfing, ample water points, campsites not flooding, all systems working, clean, no all nighters the campsite etc. This is a straw man argument. Who was arguing for edgy? Not me, I am arguing for a festival that caters for music lovers. You are trying to sell the idea that there are only two choices of festival, edgy or safe and that all safe festivals have to compete for Guardian readers to be safe. Womad has become a Guardian readers' festival first and a music lovers' festival second. Peter Gabriel could run the festival at a loss every year and get rid of the stuff that panders to Guardian readers. I don’t believe Womad is competing for Guardian Readers, that would be a hopeless business model, the Guardian has a relatively low readership with a circulation of around 108,000. No one would convince me that 1 in 3 Guardian readers also attend Womad. I think what is more likely is that it’s about the image people wish to project about themselves, revisiting their youth and myth. Womad is definitely a predominately middle class festival and in reality I believe it’s customers are a reasonable political broad cross section of the middle classes, who have a healthy range of political views and all love music. |
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Post by mikey on Jun 29, 2021 15:06:14 GMT
Government response…’oh well, Womad benefitted from 250,000 grant from Culture Recovery Fund’ as if Peter and Chris took th3 cash and laughed all the way to th3 bank…
c****s, that money has had very little benefit to Womad itself but the bulk has (quite rightly) filtered down to suppliers, supporters, technicians etc to keep going through Covid. Just like all the other independent festivals have done.
I am a little bitter, not just because I am affected and disappointed but feel empathy for all the other festivals cancelling and leaving people upset and this Government have done so little to help th3 independents (or the local economies like Malmsbury that would have benefitted)
FYI, Fairport Convention’s Cropredy Festival has just had to cancel.
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Post by currygoat on Jun 30, 2021 6:49:51 GMT
. Womad is definitely a predominately middle class festival and in reality I believe it’s customers are a reasonable political broad cross section of the middle classes, who have a healthy range of political views and all love music. A lot of middle class music lovers don't want Bollox to Brexit and Extinction Rebellion shoved down their throats at a music festival but I suppose the overpaid teachers, social workers etc. that Womad are after like that sort of thing. Overpaid tax-payer funded graduates are the ideal festival customers because they are obedient and guilt-ridden which means they don't complain if you make them queue for too long or overcharge them and they tidy up all their rubbish so you don't have to pay cleaners or exploit volunteers to return the site back to fields. This has been the Womad business model in recent times and the Guardian readers who come to Womad would be surprised if they knew a small number of mainly non-white punters come to Womad to observe the white Guardian readers at play doing balsamic yoga etc. in the same way that white Guardian readers observe animals in safari parks in Africa. It's called developing an understanding and enjoyment of other cultures. |
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Post by olirow on Jun 30, 2021 7:09:19 GMT
I'd be more interested in this discussion if there was actually a Womad to attend but there isn't so it's kind of redundant don't you think?
Can we bore each other rigid with fatuous generalisations about the make up of the Womad audience after the next one, please?
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Post by mikey on Jun 30, 2021 7:30:11 GMT
Jeez, never realised Womad had got this bad, I just turned up and enjoyed the music, catching up with old friends and relishing the general good natured Womad community. How wrong I was.
All these leftie pinko social working guardian readers infiltrating our festival, let’s round them up, put them in a field and bomb the b******ds
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Post by mikey on Jun 30, 2021 7:32:00 GMT
In case anyone too young to remember the great kenny Everett
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Post by mikey on Jun 30, 2021 7:38:36 GMT
In case anyone too young to remember the great kenny Everett
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Post by Zenrider on Jun 30, 2021 18:11:17 GMT
I will put in my two cents. Peter Gabriel is doing the best thing for everyone that makes WOMAD, well WOMAD. It's not just about operating at a loss, but wasting the fuel, resources, and energy putting up a festival that may have to cancel before it starts. It's not just about Peter losing money. If the festival could have guaranteed to go on even with a reduced crowd, Peter would have put it on, even at something of a loss. Expecting Peter to put it up, then cancelling at the last minute at a total loss, would not make sense, or help anyone.
Anything short of a guarantee the festival could continue would not have been fair to anyone. As it also would put out people that had travel plans, lodging booked (from tent to B&B to hotel). With no guarantees the festival could continue, cancelling now was the responsible thing to do. Disappointing as it may be.
As for how the Peter Gabriel's WOMAD is run and what is provided for entertainment and even education outside of the music, that's WOMAD's business. It seems a lot of people like what they do, or they wouldn't do it. If someone doesn't like everything WOMAD offers, I'm pretty sure there is another festival out there for that person. There is plenty of music, so if they don't want to do any of the other stuff, they don't have to do any of the other stuff. If all festivals only catered to one person's ideal of what a music festival should be, a lot of other people would be rather unhappy with that.
To WOMAD 2022, a new start!
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Post by currygoat on Jul 1, 2021 10:57:12 GMT
Womad should at least pay to stream Radio Womad from a vintage weekend free of charge to listeners so disappointed punters can listen to it at home, in a campsite or in their second homes. I think the executive team at Womad could manage to fund that if they gave up a little of their generous salaries but if it tippped them into hardship, they could always scrounge the funding from Peter Gabriel.
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Post by Zenrider on Jul 1, 2021 21:30:25 GMT
There was WOMAD at Home last year. Likely a pretty good chance there will be again this year. Peter has repeatedly shown his commitment to WOMAd and it's fans.
There is also a lot of WOMAD videos on YouTube. Chances are good, WOMADers will find way to celebrate that weekend with music and some with camping.
Peter does not have to bend to anyone's will in this matter. He certainly does not have to respond to bullies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 11:10:55 GMT
To rub salt in
The Latitude organiser has invited
MP's and Politicians to his festival.
Blessed are the chosen ones
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Post by deserttraveller on Jul 2, 2021 17:19:12 GMT
To rub salt in The Latitude organiser has invited MP's and Politicians to his festival. Blessed are the chosen ones Peter and the Earl of Suffolk, who owns the land at Charlton Park should do the same, may be a little picnic table in the arboretum? "You can hear the birds Minister and the tractors mowing the grass.... etc. and its your fault". |
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Post by beef on Jul 2, 2021 19:39:53 GMT
To rub salt in The Latitude organiser has invited MP's and Politicians to his festival. Blessed are the chosen ones Peter and the Earl of Suffolk, who owns the land at Charlton Park should do the same, may be a little picnic table in the arboretum? "You can hear the birds Minister and the tractors mowing the grass.... etc. and its your fault". ...oh, and here's a fresh cowpat... Splat! |
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